As many of you may have noticed, DeltaAnime has slowly been transitioning from a network
focused primarily on the anime and private server communities to one that supports a
broader spectrum of interests and content. With this has come a number of changes including
the adoption of the daIRC namesake and a revision of general administrative
practices and policies.
One policy that is up for review is the restrictions on file sharing. Under the current policy, users are limited to sharing content that is either unrestricted by North American copyright law or that which falls under the anime or Asian media categories. It has been noted that this policy is a little backwards in that licensed anime does in fact violate copyright laws in most cases even though it seems to be tolerated by those that distribute or produce it.
After some deliberation and taking into consideration the interest some users have expressed
regarding this topic, we're entertaining the idea of lifting the restrictions on content that may be distributed from one client to another. Such transfers do not involve the network in any way beyond the initial user to user communication and as a result the network would not store nor aid in the transfer of any material that may infringe on any nation's copyright laws.
The network's stance would be one that neither promotes nor condones the use of the network for such a purpose but would not punish those that chose to do so as long as the content distributed is not of a seriously objectionable nature. The user and the group they represent would be responsible for maintaining their integrity and respecting the restrictions of the law in their area.
Of course, all administration on the network will be unable to participate in any group, community or project in any context beyond a basic user while still maintaining their status on the network to prevent bias or abuse of daIRC resources. This policy is identical to current restrictions regarding participation in L2, RO and other private communities.
As with all large network changes, we wish to give the entire network community the opportunity to vote on the outcome of this proposal and voice any comments it may have. Comments have been adjusted to allow anonymous posting. When posting, please be sure to declare your vote (Yes/No/Don't care) in the first sentence, after that you may leave a detailed comment if you wish. Alternatively, one may attempt to contact a member of the administration to provide a more detailed response.
No matter the outcome of this vote, daIRC will still continue to strive to provide a stable, feature rich environment with a supportive administration where communities and projects may take root and flourish.
~Francisco & S|napse
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I say yes.
I have to semi disagree with dilt though. Warez = piracy. Mind it be sharing music, anime etc, it's still piracy. If you're following the concept of a "we don't monitor our channels unless necessary" that would include these as well unless you're planning to put that directly into the rules ^^ I don't see the community going downhill either direction though. It has been steadly growing and i'm sure will continue to grow.
Why not? Sure, allow it as long as it doesn't endanger the network.
I've been hanging around the network on and off for the past two years, and the place has been primarily RO/L2 servers, and some anime stuff, it's about time we get some different communities hanging around the network. As long as this change in policy doesn't affect the way the network runs administration wise, I'm all for new policy.
Who or how the network is run won't change, no matter the content.
:-)
yes. people think this is going to be a bigger problem than what it really will be. you will most likley hardly notice a change, sure maybe a larger user count in the file channels such as #datorrents due to more xdcc/fserv spiders coming onto the network to alert catcher applications that the channel(s) exist. seriously, you're not going to get FBI agents, "shady" characters, all these things you think you're going to get, you're not. agreed with delta with his comment aswell. more non-warez communities will come too in the way they wont have to go far to get their; music, movies, etc.,etc. also think of it this way, i had PLANNED on opening a channel with high speed xdcc bots to mirror the rag/sak setups for RO, but it dosent stop there, we can also mirror L2 and other game setups/client files/server files and other things on the bots. in short, i say yes, and seriously, its not as bad as you think it is..lol..
I don't really see a problem with it. daIRC is all about growing, and what would better help then to broaden our range of stuff that is available on the network. I'd say go for it.
No pr0n plz?
I'm all for it, it sounds like it would be a plan that would help the growth of DA.NET, which is something I support 100%
I'm all for the idea of a freedom in information sharing on the server. I of course don't want the server to become filled with pornography, malware and viruses, but I would like to see the community flourish. Ultimately it's up to the users as to how things pan out. If many people start sharing malware and key loggers, DA will go downhill, but if people think about if what they're sharing is going to have a positive outcome on the other person, then I personally think DA will benefit from the changes.
Sure, expand your horizons.
You guys can't be held responsible because its not like you guys are aiding in the sharing of illegal things.
And if you do this, DAnet will become way more popular.
DA will still keep a *very* strict policy about things like malware and the likes.
Any user found spamming such will have the following things occur:
- User banned
- Link spamfiltered
- Link reported to their host
As for the porn, we're still deciding on what we'll allow of that.
Thanks,
~Francisco
Talleh says yes to anime, and yes to music, but no to anything else, I don't think it will benifit us in the long run and we will become like the other irc nets with warez, just something less than a nice community then what we are.
Well, since it's primarily person-to-person, I don't see a problem with it. As long as DaNET is safe, I'm happy.
~Ether
Yes. I don't see how this can hurt the communities that are already around in any way, and if it's going to bring more communities to DaNet then i'm all for it.
Yeah we got l2 servers dropping left and right and most of them call DA home, let's stay away from the piracy crap, just asking for trouble there. Besides, theres always torrents. Let them get the heat.
Seeing as it's person-to-person, I say go for it. As long as DaNET is safe, I'm happy.
~Ether
This is ridiculous, the only thing passing through the irc server are user ip address, dcc port, and file name. About the only thing can be used by DAnet to determine the file is its name. people can just change a file name and continue to share.
Further more, What gives DAnet the right to tell _everyone around the world_ to obey northern america copyright laws? the last time I checked, there are official DAnet European servers. People from Europe, South America, Asia and even Australia all use DAnet. It is utterly unethical and selfcentered to enforce NA copyright against people who aren't bounded by them. Are the server admins saying people who don't agree with NA copyright should leave DAnet? Indeed most people believe stealing is wrong. However, we are given free will for a reason. Even if I were to make a mistake, it is mine and mine alone to make.
Yes, please. This is what this network needs.
I mean what are you saying when you're altering your name from "DeltaAnime" (Specific) to DaIRC (Extremly General) But then go, "oh btw we still only want anime, thx."
That makes no sense. DeltaAnime needs to bare all, take off the restrictions and allow everything. I mean that's what IRC is.
I think it's better for the network to open to new horizons and allow people to embrace the idea of sharing with each other, it's what they taught us in kindergarten, aye?
Why would we allow unlicensed Anime, but not some guy who made a copy of his Fight Club DVD to send to his buds.
Take it in hardcore DaNet. <3
private servers != illegal < insert name >?
Go for it - all or none - as long as things are separated out by the various channels - so noone gets offended by dilts pron - I dont think there are any justifiable objections.
Dolph
well, I'm all for it as long as what exists still can continue to exist, though if we do lift some restrictions we might get some rather....unwanted things.
everything DA does now will stay around, no matter how the vote goes :)
If need be we'll bring in more staff to deal with unwanted spam, etc
~Francisco
Yes, Change is good. Everything changes no matter how you control it so why not go with it in a controllable manner..
No warez, anime is good and its why we are on the network.
Anime, Music = OK
Porn, Warez = Not OK
I just want dairc/danet to keep it's image/identity as anime/pservers network.
yes, i think it's a good idea :D
gota love the communities on danet XD
Santa,
Files we're OK with, porn is a seperate discussion, but i'm leaning towards 'no' for it.
At least with files they help the communinity still stay 'PG 13'
~Francisco
I as a user of this network strongly oppose the appeal to broaden DaNET's focus and alter its current file sharing policies.
While focusing primarily upon special interest groups, a network such as DaNET has the opportunity to form a community of like-minded individuals with similar needs and goals. This can not and will not be achieved with the introduction of pirated software, mainstream media, and pornographic material.
Think of it this way, what makes DaNET an attractive prospect in its current form? I feel it is the simplicity. The direct and straight forward approach to meet the needs of the users by providing them with the Anime, J-Pop, and other forms of Asian Media they desire.
A network primarily focused upon Anime and the Asian Culture is quite refreshing in this day and age. There are seemingly countless IRC servers out there, most of which have no focus. They offer a wide variety of content, yet they lack the one key aspect which will insure their existence in years to come; A community.
The question which should be answered is this. What does DaNET wish to become?
Losing focus on what made DaNET what it is today would be disastrous. It will slowly degrade to the level of the countless forgotten IRC servers which currently clutter the internet, with absolutely nothing noteworthy to offer as their own.
What we have now is a strong network, though in its infancy, with the capacity and opportunity to transform into something great. Expand upon your key principles and the basic concepts which brought you to where you are today.
Offer subbing groups a stable server in which to form their communities, Asian Media distributors a place to setup their file servers, and most importantly grant the DaNET community a place to call its own. Thank you.
Anonymous:
DA came to realize about a year ago that the anime community won't leave rizon.
There's no point to keep pushing at anime when 95% of the community doesn't know about us, or just don't care enough *to* leave rizon.
DA wants to support it's users as it does now and to grow while doing it, no matter the content.
I like to think we're known for the way we handle things and user interaction, not just the type of users/channels we host.
Thanks,
~Francisco
Block some exploit commands like:
XDCC SEND "variables" and etc.
Blocking xdcc commands is silly since we also share anime on the network under DA's name it self.
Giving the bots each a oline would be nothing but a security fault as well.
So if the anime community won't leave Rizon, what makes you think anyone else will? Either way I don't mind any switching around in policy.
I agree with the "anime is lost" principle. You certainly won't be able to attract many of them since the market as a whole seems to like Rizon. That said, more people is definitely not a bad thing however I can't think of any other sorts of communities to attract off the top of my head as most of the obvious ones already have a network of choice.
Generally speaking becoming friendly to software piracy channels is going to be bad for the network. I speak from experience of having run an ircd on a network catering to the nefarious deeds of these folk in the past. It involved a weekly DDoS of the server and twice-weekly botnet removal.
I would like to suggest the removal of bottlers and xdcc catchers and other bots which exist for the sole purpose of leeching. I'm looking at a channel full of them right now and it's a channel that isn't even an xdcc channel. (hint: six letter random nicknames all replying to ctcp versions with mIRC 6.16)
Either or, but double standards are hypocritical. It's something to consider. Plus, if the network is going to be getting bigger, do the admins really have the time, patience, and desire to police every channel?
To expand on a few of these, we would follow a policy along the lines of:
- No porn sharing, please keep it PG13
- No cracker/password stealing channels
The l2 community is as full of script kiddies as the file sharing community in all honesty. DA has been hit a fair few times because some kid would be banned from a channel, so they'd take it out on DA.
DA's admins are commited to helping all channels, and, if needed, we'll add more staff to help.
I'm not sure if they really like rizon, or if it's more that so many of them were able to gain oper so they are able to get their way.
~Francisco
I wouldn't want to see "PRONZ CRAKZ CREDITCARDZ VIAGRAZ APPZ MOVIZ BONZYBUDDYZ 4 FREEZ" in /list
Wouldn't mind channels similar to #datorrents with quality content though.
Hmm. When it comes to porn, I would say no. When it comes to software (such as adobe products, etc), I will also say no. Television and anime things I think are not so bad. Music too is not so bad IMO (The Man is just trying to keep us down!!!). But honestly who wants a bunch of purely porn crazed idiots running around (as in...all they do is download, distribute, and talk about porn).
Media, in my opinion should be free to all. I hate that they make us pay for music movies television games and all that. However software is a different story to me =/ I dunno maybe I'm weird.
(12:10:04) (~Delta) to expand on your comment though, w1n
(12:10:10) (~Delta) we won't be allowing porn if we open our policy
(12:10:17) (~Delta) we'll have a 'keep the content pg13'
(12:10:22) (~Delta) rule in place
(12:10:55) (~Delta) CC crap, porn, password jacking communities, etc wouldn't be allowed
ugh, wooow. you guys are getting it all freaking wrong, anonymous who says they ran an ircd, i have run one too and i am now, i do not have botnet problems such as you do, because i've taken appropiate security measures. and what the fuck is with everybody assuming there is going to be CC/password stealing channels, porn channels and everything? this is not fucking abjects (formally known as criten). people need to listen to delta at the part where "they dont want/need to leave rizon, anime is there and people prefer them" or w/e he said, do not just assume from what you previously have seen. i've been to places like that, as for password/cc stealing places, give me a freaking break. they have their own ircds to hangout on, belive me. even some are hacked gov machines because a friend of mine got talked to be the fbi and he called me as soon as they left, allowing a filesharing change to the policy will not be as bad as you freaking think it will be, calm the hell down and get with the program! i swear people just need to stop generalizing and sit back and think for once of how much better this will do danet, if anything MORE communities will come here so they wont have to go far from their little community channels to get things like photoshop or something. just freaking thing of the network for once, not just your own assumptions.
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